Jobbers v heels

For me, watching such a match, I get most excited (and aroused) at that point when the heel finally establishes complete superiority and completely subdues the poor jobber. He can then do whatever, however he wants for as long as he wants. There may be begging and pleading, but to no avail. The heel can wreak punishment and humiliation to his satisfaction, and perhaps ending with his man juice on, or in the loser.

Honestly, I just love the way a little dudes body feels when I get a hold of him. Squeezing him hard and lifting him off the ground or even better, sitting on him and feeling his whole body flex underneath me as I settle my weight down and go for the pin.

This type of match has always been a HUGE turn on for me, with pins being my favorite part. I love being a good heel, and my favorite type of opponent is a tall thin guy. A nice “string bean” with a tight body. First of all, they are easier to lift, scoop up, rack, and body slam. I love when a guy is several inches taller than me but maybe 50 pounds lighter. We go face-to-face and there is a false perception that his height gives him some kind of advantage, but he already knows he is in trouble, even if he won’t admit it right away.
My first move is usually to pick the guy up over my shoulder, or bear hug him, and slam him on the mattress. From there I might twist him up like a pretzel and test his flexibility. Trust me, tall thin guys are really fun to wrap up in a ball… 😈. I love seeing nice long legs kicking as the dude attempts to escape my moves.
After entertaining myself, I will begin a series of humiliating pins…. Putting my weight on the guy and of course sitting on his face in every way imaginable. That is always my favorite part, getting a tall boy on his back and dropping my big heavy ass on his face, preferably in a reverse face sit. Sometimes I will throw in a little trash talk “how is that height advantage working out for you now? “ I will usually have my knees on the guys biceps or just have his arms stretched out completely over his head so he’s completely immobilized. I will ride his face and smother him while I admire that tall body and watch it kick and squirm. With 2 free hands, I will also administer “additional “punishments. 🫢👋🏻🍆 This will result in multiple submissions, and usually multiple rounds…. The possibilities are endless as I put a tall skinny boy in his place.

Love all of that - I like going up against shorter guys, trying to show off my height advantage till they inevitably demolish me...

And I like being that shorter guy ;-)

I like both ways but my short chunky body pinning and squashing a tall skinny dude is hot.

You are a Master at Reverse Facesits! Totally dominating and humiliating them with your big meaty full ass! Pure perfection, keep it up!

Sounds perfect to me 🥵💪

The heel vs jobber match is the most exciting for me. Two men in pro wrestling trunks, one completely dominating the other. In every heel vs jobber match there is a moment when the jobber recognize that every attempt to resist the heel is futile, accepts to be dominated and resign himself to be totally under the control of the heel. From that moment the heel just plays with his jobber until he decides to finish him off, hopefully with a dominant and humiliating pin hold. My favourite pin is with one of my legs trapped between the heel’s thighs, face smothered under heel’s pecs or armpit and the other leg hooked high exposing all the jobber has to offer to the crowd… you can count to 100.. I will never even try to get free..

Well, in heel vs jobber you usually admire the cute jobber and he will be in many great moves and holds and KO in the end. It is a bit sad that one-sided matches are less common in regular pro wrestling nowadays. Happens most with huge and heavy heels, multiple jobbers against one is also nice, but usually too short.

Very well said. Hot too. :)

I have thought about this a lot, and one of the main concepts I keep coming back to is this whole idea that in society, there are seldom ever such clear demonstrations of winner and loser...that polarity and certainty. Instead, everyone walks around flocking their feathers acting like they could win a fight, hold their own, etc... Especially in something like wrestling where YOU are what is competing, not your hockey stick, ball, net, etc... In most sports if someone wins, they had better accuracy, more skill, more dexterity, but in wrestling the one who wins is via his entire physical prowess and body. HE is the winner. HE is the loser. I think it is almost taboo and a shock to the eyes to see a "man" of any kind losing control in the power excahnge dynamic and being physicaly controlled, dominated, defeated, put on display and objectified for the audience. Brain does not compute when seeing this because it seems to counteract how society is hahah

well said and I think that gets to the heart of it.

Interesting take. :)

That is what makes wrestling so erotic. I love one sided beat downs where one male totally outclasses his inferior opponent. I love to watch my husband wrestle and lose. Then I'm the reward for the winner. It adds to my guys humiliation and that turns me on.

I like to take on a fit jobber but my ideal is an alpha vs alpha match where both guys want to win but one is made into a jobber. I have been on both sides and enjoyed both (though enjoying winning more so 😉). Thinking you could win and then being made a submissive jobber, while a great feeling of dominance for the winner, even losing, I felt empowered that I did my best, was bested and honoured the stakes - hopefully getting some respect from the victorious heel.

When I win, if the jobber is fit with nice abs and/chest I am picturing any of the guys in high school who strutted around with a great body, taking any opportunity to show it off and being admired by all the girls (and guys). Having that guy submit to me and service me, with his muscles just solid hunks of meat for me to use at my pleasure is a huge turn on. Even though, in high school, I was probably 'one of those guys' to someone else, I love having that jock bod at my feet, surrendering completely and watching him wondering what I will do to him next. If I become the jobber, then happy to become that jock getting what he deserves.

The idea of being dominated by a heavier, bigger, stronger wrestler while wearing skimpy tights has been a turn on for as long as I can remember. Being punished by my opponent for even thinking I could have a chance to win, even to the point of pulling me out of an easy pin to further show his dominance is what I have always loved about the matches I've had.

I love watching that happen to my husband. It's so primal watching two guys fight for the right to breed me!

Thanks again for everybody’s replies! I’ve already started some one-on-one discussions with a few of you. Looking forward to going deeper into some of your responses one on one.
Thanks for joining in on the topic! :-)

I think I agree with most of what was said in the original post. If I had to summarize, I think it would be that it's "controlled violence" that is the attraction.

By that I mean that there is an understanding between jobber and heel that there is a limit to what the heel will do. I say it this way to potential jobbers I might meet, my goal is pain, yes- injury, no. Then there is the idea that are "pain jobbers" vs. "humiliation jobbers". (A topic for a different day). I've started asking guys who want to be jobbers, on a scale of 0 to 10, how rough do you want me to be?

I can get a same kind satisfaction watching a good hard open field tackle in a football game. You know the tackler isn't out to injure the ball carrier, but he does want him to remember and feel the hit so he's a little less apt to come his way in the future.

In a one-sided jobber/heel match it can even add to the interest for me when a heel repeatedly pulls a jobber up after a 2 count, extending the punishment a bit. There are other times when a manager will distract a referee after the match has been won and the heel will go back to the submission hold he used, or stomp on the jobber, or throw him out of the ring.

There again, it's not to do perm. damage, but rather to say, "you're gonna regret ever getting into the ring with me!" It's that kind of dominance that does it for me.

So true.

I like a little bit of pain but definitely a humiliation jobber here. Nothing hotter than getting destroyed in a series of holds and being forced to beg for mercy while the heel trash talks and taunts me.

Then the real fun of hot, sweaty pins, facesits and schoolboys can begin, where the heel asserts his dominance by pinning down the jobber so he can't even move and flexing over him.

No official way to end the match, just when the heel has had enough of playing with his useless jobber ragdoll and leaves him in an exhausted sweaty heap in the middle of the ring 🥵🥵🥵

You made a comment about "the jobber can't even move". That is really something that really is hot too me. You've all you can up to that point and now your pinned and can't move. You know the end is near.

It is super hot - roll up face sit pin with legs hooked under the heels arms is my favourite to be trapped in 🥵🤤😍

Great comments throughout. The pain jobber vs humiliation jobber really got me thinking. From my perspective as the jobber, I want both. I never really thought a lot about in what order I want them but thinking about it now, has brought me to this conclusion. For me, it starts with the pain. You go into the match knowing what is going to happen to you, just not exactly how or when. The heel is bigger, stronger, more confident and as you look across the mat the butterflies appear in your stomach. You never want to appear hesitant, afraid, defeated before it starts but as the heel approaches, reality sets in. You do fight back, resist as much as possible, but ultimately the heel, the Alpha in the ring, takes control. This is where the pain starts for the jobber and the heel gets the juice from starting to take you apart. Every heel works differently, with the same result, a jobber, bent, twisted, squeezed, almost pinned, and the process starts again. The jobber, just waiting for that few seconds where the heel lets up and you catch your breath, then it starts again. Depending on the heel, you find yourself eventually in one or two or maybe three of their favorite holds where they get their second round of Alpha juice as they make you pay, make you feel the pain, over and over again. A heel knows quickly when they have broken you and they move from pain to humiliation, questioning your manhood and demonstrating theirs. This part of the match may be a long drawn out humiliation or sometimes it's quick with the heel enjoying the spoils of his victory, where humiliation can take several turns. In the end, when it works, everyone is tired, sweaty, and satisfied. The heel with a sense of pride and self esteem having submitted another man, using his strength, size, and mind as the jobber, as crazy as this must sound to every heel, gains satisfaction from once again being the vehicle that provides the Alpha juice to that heel. The jobber in his mind has won as well, playing his part to perfection, taking whatever punishment is dished out, accepting his fate as the lesser man with the humiliation and potential stakes that came with the match, and hopefully just a slight bit of recognition from the heel that you served him well.

That was awesome. Really appreciate the analysis. There is definitely more than meets the eye in all this (obviously since it is an IMMENSE turn in for many…on both sides of the dynamic).
Love hearing the deeper thoughts/ feelings of others. Just reading about it gets one off to a point as well. :)

Wow! Some really awesome responses so far. Thank you!

Someone mentioned that it’s mostly about the “fun aspect“ for them. I couldn’t agree more! Having uninhibited fun underlies all of the play for me as well. :-)

The intense eroticism as well as the freedom to “play“ and have fun doing it, is somewhat of an unbeatable combination, is it not? :)

I will most likely PM a few of you to get into it more the things you said. In the meantime, to all, please: more and more! :-)

This! So all said.

So WELL said

I don't think too much about that aspect of it, it's just fun to me. Most of my matches are pro wrestling matches so a story scenario is discussed and then we go from there. Being a jobber allows me to express and react more. I have a theater background. But here lately in matches I've been more of a cocky jobber character and more assertive, it was a lot of fun. It's all about fun for me.

I love wrestling guys at least twice my weight. I have no upper limit of what you weigh. I will wrestle you until your weight becomes the advantage and this is my favorite part when your full weight lands on top of me squashing me under you as you stay on top of me squashing me under your weight.

My fantasy match would be a group match with guys twice my weight then piling on top of the guy pinning me under him.

@Heel-eo-trope What an interesting topic you have published. You made two questions:

1. Definitely the balance of power between human beings is part of our nature and dominant/submissive dynamics like one-side, jobber/heel or beatdown matches allow expressing it in a controlled and safe environment. In my case it sometimes act as a counter-balance of my "real" life. In my work I supervise a lot of people. Even if my leadership style is more of a "servant leader" method, I still have to take many decisions which affects people who I supervise, I am used to "be in control". It is like a valve of escape, I can put my "jobber hat" and inmmerse myself in a different world without giving up who I am. I have been in therapy in the past because some people warned me in the past that this type of thinking could be a mental disorder. Like you, I have made the paces with myself, this is a fantasy, a fetish like many others have but I allow myself to go into it and enjoy it. Like you, It has also been an addiction to me in the past (still it is sometimes).

2. "WHAT aspect of a complete and utter annihilation in fantasy wrestling “does it” for you?" Definitely the hopeleness is what turns me on more. Be in a match with a stronger, faster and more experienced wrestler who control the match from the beginning, deciding when I get a release in a hold without attending to my taps or screams for mercy. For me that feeling of: "finally it is over and then my opponent locked me again in another hold again". Or the feeling of trying hard to fight back but not being able to put a stand, as the match goes on i get more tired and my opponent let me less time of rest between holds as the holds also became more painful. "Is he going to stop maybe? Ohh no he is going to work my back again..."

In my case I come from the BDSM scene to the jobber/heel matches. The one thing I enjoy more is that in BDSM there is no struggle from the submissive side (he/she just obey), but in this type of one-side matches I get tossed around even if try to fight back. Probably this is also the reason I am into stakes and humiliation as part of these matches, because it bring the "overwhelming onslaught" (as you mentioned) also to the psychological level.

It is not true that BDSM has no struggle from the submissive. There are scenes in which the sub likes to struggle, escape from bonds or being defiant. As in all sorts of power exchange play, a little push-pull (or a lot of push-pull) can enhance the play.

Hey everyone,
Posted something similar a few years ago and wanted to “bump” the topic up again.

I, like I know many of us in this forum, am a respectful, caring person who in the course of living daily life, really cares about others’ wellbeing, HATES to see anyone get injured, am one of the first to help someone in physical/emotional need and actually appalled by gratuitous real life violence and the accompanying glorification of it by mainstream society.

I mean, just watch any YouTube video where a street fight or more often, an all-out felony attack of a mob on a person or storekeeper, is cheered on or videoed by onlookers (with few, if any helping) and then further treated as careless, heartless, amusement in the comments section. Another example of this is when the “referee” in an MMA fight allows for several (yes , several) additional kicks/punches/elbows to the HEAD of a downed/defenseless opponent to delight of a blood-thirsty crowd before stepping in to stop it…with no criticism at all from “responsible” mainstream sportscasters (ESPN, etc.)

I just don’t get all that above. It’s actually disgusting and a frightening “real life development” of modern society.

Now with that established, why is the fantasy scenario of a one-sided, cruel, humiliating wrestling squash match such a turn on and why is there not a lot of personal scrutiny around it? I mean, I’m long over any feeling of apprehension of why i find it “enjoyable”. I’ve just accepted it is one of the many, varied “crazy fetishes” that billions of responsible, good human beings have. I’ve even been to counseling early in my life to figure it out but was never dissuaded or led to believe it was an issue..UNLESS it was addictive - which it has been from time to time. But it was the addictive aspect that was always addressed in counseling, not the fetish itself. Can anyone else relate?

The best I could explain why it affects me the way it does, is that it is an outlet for deep, primal human desires that perhaps are manifested in the real life scenarios I mentioned above…However, it is a way more “civilized” manifestation in the latter case because it is done in a, by definition, “fantasy realm” versus reality….with the line of reality is never crossed.

Any thoughts on that?

The second and more relevant question to this and similar fantasy forums is:

WHAT aspect of a complete and utter annihilation in fantasy wrestling “does it” for you? For me, it’s the PORTRAYEL of hopelessness and overwhelming onslaught visited on to the Jobber who forfeits his/her control of their body and dignity to a bigger, stronger opponent who has little if any compassion for their opponents’ well being. WHY that is a turn on for me, I’m still not sure but man, is it intense - and safe for all involved cause no one really gets hurt - save for accidental injury where reality and concern are restored by participants and (most) audience members.

Would LOVE to get any and all perspectives on this. Do you identify with anything I wrote above? How are you affected by this fetish? Are you more turned on by the helpless/hapless Jobber role or the heartless/brutal heel? Or the overall scenario?

Thanks for taking the time to read and consider my thoughts and thanks in advance for your input. :)

Thank you for starting this. Any fetish is made of many threads. This is mine. Being seen as the "man" who was dealt a sadistic beat-down, Being exposed as a jobber/wimp/sissy/fool/hapless patsy. I'm not turned on by the reality, but by the idea of it happening. Because there's no other scene that gets me to where I feel right.

It is a purifying humiliation. It is another man stripping me of any claim to manhood in myself. He methodically torments me.

But he does it as an entertainment for others. I'm not just a man who got beat up. I'm an object, a prop. I writhe and crawl and cry. I'm soft and helpless and wounded and he insults me over and over. It's an unmanning.

And it's hotter if it is performed, acted. A pro wrestling jobber is ideal because all the elements (one-sided, sadistic, humiliating) are there in a framework everybody knows. The people watching "know it's not real" and can enjoy my cruel humiliation and still be good citizens. The same with a stunt-fight beating.

If I'm performing (or half-performing) as a squash jobber ( = pot-bellied punching bag) it's really doubly humiliating (and exhibitionistic), because I'm deliberately showing you what I would look like as a beaten hapless loser.

Great take and explanation. Very hot too!

Most wrestling kink is scene oriented. Whatever turns you on, turns you on. The person in real life outside the scene is probably something totally different. My husband was an 0311 rifleman in Vietnam with the Marines and was in a lot of combat and got the Purple Heart. We both like the wrestling kink and he is always the losing humiliated jobber. Probably wouldn't like to be an asshole with him in regular life outside of this. Go figure. What kinky shit turns you on turns you on!

First, I enjoyed reading your thoughts on this topic!
I've always had a different view on the first observation, in separating actual street/public violence from sport violence. In real life, I find real life violence repulsive, because after all, the victim is usually not a willing participant.
As for MMA, or even boxing, both combatants have accepted the possible consequences that can occur with their participation in the sport.
Pro wrestling on the other hand, is a totally different scenario. As we all know, pro wrestling is entertainment, it's not real violence. It LOOKS real when it's done correctly, but the audience knows going in that the violence is perceived. The audience checks reality at the door, and enjoys the tussle between good vs evil, and so there is no scrutiny required. In the 60's, 70's and 80's, pro wrestling had jobbers who wrestled in tv matches against nasty heels. Those matches usually featured the jobber getting squashed by the heel, which set up the dislike of the heel for the big arena matches where the heel would go against the hero, or face. Sometimes the heel would win, and sometimes the face would win. Either way, promoters would keep interest alive by whatever storyline was working and drawing interest from the fans.

As for your second point, I think that the complete and utter annihilation or dominance of one wrestler over another is really enjoyed by fans in pro wrestling, or at least used to be when there were jobber vs heel matches, because they imagine that the heel is unstoppable by a "normal" wrestler (jobber). So they looked forward to their hero (the face) getting revenge against the dominant heel in the big arena matches.

And here on Meetfighters, with regards to pro fantasy squash matches that we may participate in, there are many wrestlers who enjoy being the heel and the feeling it gives them of dominating their opponent. I think for those individuals, there is a turn on with the perception of total control over another wrestler. They quickly take control of their opponent, and work over and punish the jobber throughout the match. They like the feeling that they could end the match at any time, but they are in control and only they will decide when the jobber has had enough. They can make the jobber submit with a punishing finishing hold, or wear him down to the point that they can get an easy pinfall to end the match.
Of course other wrestlers enjoy being the jobber, getting tossed around and worked over by a larger or even smaller opponent. Some jobbers enjoy the submissive part of jobbing. They like the feeling that the heel has control over them, but in a safe environment. Myself, I enjoy jobbing, but the excitement I experience comes from making the heel I am wrestling against look good in our match, and make the work over and punishment I'm receiving look like it is taking its toll on me as the match progresses. At times I'll try to fight back, but it's usually always a futile attempt because the heel regains control, as expected. After all, he's the heel.
That said, I enjoy heeling from time to time too. I really believe that both participants need to get what they want out of a match for it to be successful and satisfying for both wrestlers. And I'm spoiled. The scenario has to be in a ring for me to get into it. That said, I find the whole experience to be fun. If it wasn't, then what's the point? lol.

Wonderful point of view man.

For me, it is not just a one-sided squash that turns me on. It is the one-sided squash of a physically bigger, more muscular jobber by a smaller heel that turns me on. It is part of my fetish of power exchange.

So for example, when I watch Warlord manhandle a smaller jobber, I am not turned on. However, when I see Fireman Chip getting pummeled in the ring by a smaller heel ... I get hard almost immediately.

Brutality is definitely not a modern development. Roman mobs loved to watch gladiators fight to the death. In the 19th century roughhousing meant something very different than what it does today. Back then, nose and ear biting as well as actual eye gouging was all part of the fight.

But squash matches or matches that begin evenly but become a squash match are hot because of the domination aspect. It's just hot when one guy is in control and doing whatever he wants to do especially if he's the smaller guy. Then the bigger guy on the losing end just has to beg for mercy while he suffers whatever humiliation the winner chooses.

Hey there.
I don’t have a specific answer.
This is certainly a turn on for me as well. I love to watch a match here one guy stays in control the whole time.

But I want to say is that this seems to be the same kind of thing in BDSM in general. The erotic charge that many feel in experiencing or witnessing the Dom/sub dynamic, sadism/masochism. Dom/heel takes pleasure in humiliating/subjugating the sub/jobber.

Of course, in BDSM, and hopefully in any wrestling scene that Meetfighters members do is safe and consensual.

I love watching my husband submit to the more dominant alpha male. I have been the prize for the winning wrestler and it was so primal. The best matches are the long drawn out ones where the guy totally dominates and punishes my husband as I watch. Seeing my husband helpless and humiliated gets me so wet that I can't wait to be taken as my husband watches helplessly. It's the total domination by the better and stronger male over the weaker male that is such a turn on. I think it's just our primal evolution.

@Slowsweat - Yes. Always mutual consent is needed. But, the selling of each role making it “look” non-consensual is of equal importance. :)

I totally agree!