Took me a while to figure 'Brazilian Ju jitsu' and understand this discusion. Bjj has little of the theatrical found in Pro or the dirty tactics I enjoy about my wrestling ideas...fetish. I don't dig mma or college either but admiration for all. Face and Heel long way from technical skill appeal. Never could relate to the tech over theater except if I faced off against an unsuspecting technical wrestler willing to give me a lesson. ;-). Shh, Don't tell anyone.
From my uninformed perception it seemed like I was running into guys who were doing submission, or what they called submission, and doing rather well who didn't seem to have any technical familiarity with bjj. I thought there might be different kinds of submission.
I don't agree with that statement but am happy to be corrected.
I took traditional JJ classes where a gi had to be worn. This was because the men grabbed the other's gi when executing throws and it could be used to limit the movement of the other's body. In the BJJ classes no-one wears a gi; it is just shorts and t-shirts/rashguards.
I think wrestling is just wrestling no matter what name has been attached; JJ, judo, subs and freestyle are all broadly similar but each has it's own rules and ways of deciding the result.
As stated earlier, I'm happy to be corrected on this. It is an interesting topic so thanks for raising the question.
BJJ standard theory is that a person should be competent in gi before doing no-gi. This is because gi slows things down and makes people have to use technique instead of just slipping or powering out of moves.
The majority of BJJ classes are done in gi with some schools offering no-gi as well. That isn’t to say that no no-gi only schools don’t exists. They just are in the majority.
BJJ class in shorts/rash guard is no-gi aka submission grappling.
Thanks. That sounds about right. Traditional JJ was too technical for me and my tired old brain couldn't remember all the fine points that I needed to do the moves. The class mainly covered throws and rarely did ground work. I found a BJJ club that does lessons in a gi and lessons with no gi. I much preferred no gi as, to me, it is just like subs.
It is basically the same thing although most tourneys prohibit or limit use of dangerous techniques. By the way, the only stupid question is the one u fail to ask. Look at it this way, no-gi jiujitsu is similar to folkstyle in many ways with submissions aloud as u win by submission or in many tourneys by scoring more but points related to improving positions that are often good for setting up submissions
exchhldsblws (1)
2/05/2019 3:53 AMTook me a while to figure 'Brazilian Ju jitsu' and understand this discusion. Bjj has little of the theatrical found in Pro or the dirty tactics I enjoy about my wrestling ideas...fetish. I don't dig mma or college either but admiration for all. Face and Heel long way from technical skill appeal. Never could relate to the tech over theater except if I faced off against an unsuspecting technical wrestler willing to give me a lesson. ;-). Shh, Don't tell anyone.
Cowboyangel (15)
2/01/2019 5:24 AMFrom my uninformed perception it seemed like I was running into guys who were doing submission, or what they called submission, and doing rather well who didn't seem to have any technical familiarity with bjj. I thought there might be different kinds of submission.
bjjguynyc (11)
2/01/2019 3:46 AMIMO BJJ is done while wearing a gi while submission grappling is without a gi.
Tynesider (87)
2/01/2019 6:31 AM(In reply to this)
I don't agree with that statement but am happy to be corrected.
I took traditional JJ classes where a gi had to be worn. This was because the men grabbed the other's gi when executing throws and it could be used to limit the movement of the other's body. In the BJJ classes no-one wears a gi; it is just shorts and t-shirts/rashguards.
I think wrestling is just wrestling no matter what name has been attached; JJ, judo, subs and freestyle are all broadly similar but each has it's own rules and ways of deciding the result.
As stated earlier, I'm happy to be corrected on this. It is an interesting topic so thanks for raising the question.
bjjguynyc (11)
2/01/2019 1:31 PM(In reply to this)
BJJ standard theory is that a person should be competent in gi before doing no-gi. This is because gi slows things down and makes people have to use technique instead of just slipping or powering out of moves.
The majority of BJJ classes are done in gi with some schools offering no-gi as well. That isn’t to say that no no-gi only schools don’t exists. They just are in the majority.
BJJ class in shorts/rash guard is no-gi aka submission grappling.
Tynesider (87)
2/01/2019 1:49 PM(In reply to this)
Thanks. That sounds about right. Traditional JJ was too technical for me and my tired old brain couldn't remember all the fine points that I needed to do the moves. The class mainly covered throws and rarely did ground work. I found a BJJ club that does lessons in a gi and lessons with no gi. I much preferred no gi as, to me, it is just like subs.
Thanks again for your explanation.
Cowboyangel (15)
1/31/2019 6:19 AMThat's interesting. With my bad shoulder I can't really do full submissions anymore but I have shone improvement in my wrestling for position.
BJJWrestlerLasVegas (12)
1/31/2019 5:55 AMIt is basically the same thing although most tourneys prohibit or limit use of dangerous techniques. By the way, the only stupid question is the one u fail to ask. Look at it this way, no-gi jiujitsu is similar to folkstyle in many ways with submissions aloud as u win by submission or in many tourneys by scoring more but points related to improving positions that are often good for setting up submissions
Cowboyangel (15)
1/30/2019 5:55 AMMaybe this is a dumb question but, what is the difference between submission and bjj ...or non-bjj Submission?