I have had my second water wrestling experience. My opponent was someone on this site but I'll leave it up to them to "decloak" if they want to.
The venue same as before - an above ground exercise type pool measuring roughly measuring roughly 7 feet by 10 feet with a depth of roughly 24 inches for the match eg not much water is going to splash out. The pool has an external pump, filter, and heating system and the water temperature of the match was in the upper 80's. Match details included we were using typical bjj white belt tournament rules ( no twisting of the leg ) and we not using chokes underwater.
Same comment as before: Both people have to be fairly comfortable in water - 24 inches of water is shallow enough if you sit up, the head and shoulders of most people will end up above water. But you both also have to be paying attention to what you and the other person are doing. It is more a co-operative exercise than a pure competition. On the positive side, your body doesn't take the beating it does in a competitive mat match since the actual forces applied are usually lower.
This time, my opponent was roughly the same physical size as me but maybe 40 to 50 lbs heavier. So I used some of what I had noted from my first match. You want to keep the wrestling either on the surface or underwater. You also don't want to let the bigger person get set up in a stable position above you so you need to keep moving away from them. I also caught them on a couple of moves I didn't realize I knew. One was a double chicken wing from behind - basically a full nelson with the arms down instead of up.
I was nwfan53's opponent in this match. We did some mat wrestling about two years ago and it didn't go too good for me. When he offered me to come back and wrestle in his pool, I was very apprehensive because of my bad arthritis in my knees. But I decided to give it a try. After getting use to going under water and practice some moves and holds, I had a great experience. Being in the water helped with easing my knee pain. If you ever have the chance to roll in the pool with this man, don't miss out. After my knees are fixed, I'm coming back for a rematch.
Yes, I work with therapy people in the water in Oakland Park, Fort Lauderdale Florida all the time and its best thing to do for the joints, muscles, and just enjoying a great workout. Dean [email protected]
At Grove Park we used to have a very large water pool which we put up as needed. We also used to use it (mostly) for oil wrestling sessions.
I found that about 8 inches of water was a good start for guys getting into this fun style. It still took quite awhile to fill the pool to that level.
One other advantage was that wrestlers never overheated as the water immediately absorbed any excess body heat.
There is a video of me online doing a water wrestling bout and it was a lot of fun to do.
Are you referring to the one on x tube by Water Mask from the UK. It is a hot one. I am still not too sure why its on x tube and its not on Youtube because there is nothing sexual about it. It two guys in bathing suits rolling around in a tub of water to get domination and punish their opponents. I have the set up here in Fort Lauderdale FLorida USA that I am waiting for someone that is able to do it to come here. Dean [email protected]
There are actually 10 different ways to water wrestle. All of them are a lot of fun. I do a lot of the water wrestling in Fort Lauderdale Florida, so if anyone is around, please let me know. Dean
I wouldn't doubt that number of types in the least. Another reason to have a really good conversation about the match before getting in the water. One variable and discussion point is going to be the water depth. The pool I used could probably run up to 42 inches without slopping over too much.
Yes talking about how deep you want to water wrestle is the first thing that should be on your mind as long as the type of wrestling and how aggressive each person can be. There is no use in talking about water level if the level of how aggressive a person is, is not talked about. I like to go light to medium. I enjoy 9 inch, 1 foot, up to 5 feet of water myself. If the pool is small and not wide, then 6 feet to even 9 feet can be a lot of fun. Dean
Good points - falls right under the Safety Awareness thread. Particularly if you are getting in the water with someone you don't know very well or haven't wrestled before.
You learn by experience and that is why the recommendations on this site is very much needed to find out where your opponent stands. What kind of a match do they like and want. Can it be done in the amount of water that they propose. I am ready for anyone in this area, that likes to go light to medium and from 6 inches to 5 feet of water. Dean
Probably would be good to find out how the water is maintained in the pool if you don't know if it has been freshly filled. There have been some recent articles on cryptosporidiosis that will make you think twice about using public pools. Bromine/Chlorine water treatment is not real effective against these cysts.
I have had my first water wrestling experience. My opponent was someone not on this site so I'm going to leave their description somewhat non-specifc but it was someone I have submission wrestled multiple time over recent years on mats. In recent months, our mat matches have run 3 to 4 to 1 their favor in terms of submissions for a two hour match. So the mat matches are close but I consistently come out on the losing end. The other person is also a bjj blue belt which outranks me in that universe.
The venue was an above ground exercise type pool measuring roughly measuring roughly 7 feet by 10 feet with a depth of roughly 24 inches for the match eg not much water is going to splash out. The pool has an external pump, filter, and heating system and the water temperature of the match was in the upper 80's. Match details included we were using typical bjj white belt tournament rules ( no twisting of the leg ) and we not using chokes underwater.
Specific comments on the match: There is a bunch of bjj / submission wrestling moves that don't work in a pool. Throw in buoyancy, lack of friction in water, and basic needs like breathing, and there is stuff you do on a mat you can't easily do in water. As a specific example, flopping on your back and trying to work full or open guard tends to end badly.
Also both people have to be fairly comfortable in water - 24 inches of water is shallow enough if you sit up, the head and shoulders of most people will end up above water. But you both also have to be paying attention to what you and the other person are doing. It is more a co-operative exercise than a pure competition. On the positive side, your body doesn't take the beating it does in a competitive mat match since the actual forces applied are usually lower.
One observation, we had agreed to start from our knees. The other person kept going to a standing position to try to get a tactical advantage. To use a cliche, this wasn't my first rodeo - I've spent enough time in a formal class setting to realize if the other person stands up, you go with them.
Given the other person was a foot shorter than me, I pretty much "had them for lunch" as soon was we were both standing in the pool. I think they would have done better staying down in a kneeling position and engaging me than standing but that is just my opinion.
nwfan53 (8)
8/17/2019 1:44 AMI have had my second water wrestling experience. My opponent was someone on this site but I'll leave it up to them to "decloak" if they want to.
The venue same as before - an above ground exercise type pool measuring roughly measuring roughly 7 feet by 10 feet with a depth of roughly 24 inches for the match eg not much water is going to splash out. The pool has an external pump, filter, and heating system and the water temperature of the match was in the upper 80's. Match details included we were using typical bjj white belt tournament rules ( no twisting of the leg ) and we not using chokes underwater.
Same comment as before: Both people have to be fairly comfortable in water - 24 inches of water is shallow enough if you sit up, the head and shoulders of most people will end up above water. But you both also have to be paying attention to what you and the other person are doing. It is more a co-operative exercise than a pure competition. On the positive side, your body doesn't take the beating it does in a competitive mat match since the actual forces applied are usually lower.
This time, my opponent was roughly the same physical size as me but maybe 40 to 50 lbs heavier. So I used some of what I had noted from my first match. You want to keep the wrestling either on the surface or underwater. You also don't want to let the bigger person get set up in a stable position above you so you need to keep moving away from them. I also caught them on a couple of moves I didn't realize I knew. One was a double chicken wing from behind - basically a full nelson with the arms down instead of up.
Hammer two point 0 (6)
8/18/2019 3:36 AM(In reply to this)
I was nwfan53's opponent in this match. We did some mat wrestling about two years ago and it didn't go too good for me. When he offered me to come back and wrestle in his pool, I was very apprehensive because of my bad arthritis in my knees. But I decided to give it a try. After getting use to going under water and practice some moves and holds, I had a great experience. Being in the water helped with easing my knee pain. If you ever have the chance to roll in the pool with this man, don't miss out. After my knees are fixed, I'm coming back for a rematch.
FlDean2012 (119 )
8/18/2019 5:16 AM(In reply to this)
Yes, I work with therapy people in the water in Oakland Park, Fort Lauderdale Florida all the time and its best thing to do for the joints, muscles, and just enjoying a great workout. Dean [email protected]
grovepark4u (7)
7/08/2019 12:05 PMAt Grove Park we used to have a very large water pool which we put up as needed. We also used to use it (mostly) for oil wrestling sessions.
I found that about 8 inches of water was a good start for guys getting into this fun style. It still took quite awhile to fill the pool to that level.
One other advantage was that wrestlers never overheated as the water immediately absorbed any excess body heat.
There is a video of me online doing a water wrestling bout and it was a lot of fun to do.
FlDean2012 (119 )
7/08/2019 5:57 PM(In reply to this)
Are you referring to the one on x tube by Water Mask from the UK. It is a hot one. I am still not too sure why its on x tube and its not on Youtube because there is nothing sexual about it. It two guys in bathing suits rolling around in a tub of water to get domination and punish their opponents. I have the set up here in Fort Lauderdale FLorida USA that I am waiting for someone that is able to do it to come here. Dean [email protected]
FlDean2012 (119 )
7/07/2019 5:20 AMThere are actually 10 different ways to water wrestle. All of them are a lot of fun. I do a lot of the water wrestling in Fort Lauderdale Florida, so if anyone is around, please let me know. Dean
nwfan53 (8)
7/07/2019 6:11 AM(In reply to this)
I wouldn't doubt that number of types in the least. Another reason to have a really good conversation about the match before getting in the water. One variable and discussion point is going to be the water depth. The pool I used could probably run up to 42 inches without slopping over too much.
FlDean2012 (119 )
7/08/2019 6:00 PM(In reply to this)
Yes talking about how deep you want to water wrestle is the first thing that should be on your mind as long as the type of wrestling and how aggressive each person can be. There is no use in talking about water level if the level of how aggressive a person is, is not talked about. I like to go light to medium. I enjoy 9 inch, 1 foot, up to 5 feet of water myself. If the pool is small and not wide, then 6 feet to even 9 feet can be a lot of fun. Dean
nwfan53 (8)
7/08/2019 6:08 PM(In reply to this)
Good points - falls right under the Safety Awareness thread. Particularly if you are getting in the water with someone you don't know very well or haven't wrestled before.
FlDean2012 (119 )
7/08/2019 6:14 PM(In reply to this)
You learn by experience and that is why the recommendations on this site is very much needed to find out where your opponent stands. What kind of a match do they like and want. Can it be done in the amount of water that they propose. I am ready for anyone in this area, that likes to go light to medium and from 6 inches to 5 feet of water. Dean
nwfan53 (8)
7/08/2019 6:46 PM(In reply to this)
Probably would be good to find out how the water is maintained in the pool if you don't know if it has been freshly filled. There have been some recent articles on cryptosporidiosis that will make you think twice about using public pools. Bromine/Chlorine water treatment is not real effective against these cysts.
nwfan53 (8)
7/07/2019 2:10 AMI have had my first water wrestling experience. My opponent was someone not on this site so I'm going to leave their description somewhat non-specifc but it was someone I have submission wrestled multiple time over recent years on mats. In recent months, our mat matches have run 3 to 4 to 1 their favor in terms of submissions for a two hour match. So the mat matches are close but I consistently come out on the losing end. The other person is also a bjj blue belt which outranks me in that universe.
The venue was an above ground exercise type pool measuring roughly measuring roughly 7 feet by 10 feet with a depth of roughly 24 inches for the match eg not much water is going to splash out. The pool has an external pump, filter, and heating system and the water temperature of the match was in the upper 80's. Match details included we were using typical bjj white belt tournament rules ( no twisting of the leg ) and we not using chokes underwater.
Specific comments on the match: There is a bunch of bjj / submission wrestling moves that don't work in a pool. Throw in buoyancy, lack of friction in water, and basic needs like breathing, and there is stuff you do on a mat you can't easily do in water. As a specific example, flopping on your back and trying to work full or open guard tends to end badly.
Also both people have to be fairly comfortable in water - 24 inches of water is shallow enough if you sit up, the head and shoulders of most people will end up above water. But you both also have to be paying attention to what you and the other person are doing. It is more a co-operative exercise than a pure competition. On the positive side, your body doesn't take the beating it does in a competitive mat match since the actual forces applied are usually lower.
One observation, we had agreed to start from our knees. The other person kept going to a standing position to try to get a tactical advantage. To use a cliche, this wasn't my first rodeo - I've spent enough time in a formal class setting to realize if the other person stands up, you go with them.
Given the other person was a foot shorter than me, I pretty much "had them for lunch" as soon was we were both standing in the pool. I think they would have done better staying down in a kneeling position and engaging me than standing but that is just my opinion.