No holds barred
Match structure: Outdoors fights, Not interested in cyber
Specific wrestling styles: Brazilian ju-jitsu, Wrestling with body punches
Stand-up fighting: UFC/MMA style matches
Miscellaneous interests: I'm a heel
Fetishes: Leather, Boxing gear, Wrestling gear, Naked wrestling, Nipple play, Cock fighting, CBT
Veteran grappler 27 years experience looking for competitive wrestling fights with few to no rules, few to no limits. Favorite tactics include heavy body punches and ball claws. Nude preferred with CBT/TT action. BARE CHESTS MINIMUM, WITH NO EXCEPTIONS!. Like it rough and intense. Should be sore after the match. Bruises ok. Have no preference on race, height, or weight. Just know how to wrestle and be willing to get rough. Past opponents include police officers, a Gracie-trained black belt, and several wrestlers from BG East and other video wrestlers.
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This guy is good him and i are an even match he knows what he is doing on and off the mats we are going again soon hope you all get to know him. We just got to see each other and he is good at wrestling we had a great time hope everyone else gets to see him.
9/25/22: NEW MATCH. I took my mat to the apartment this afternoon and we stripped nude to wrestle. Lots of hard headlocks and brutal scissors. Total non-stop sex fight, very rough and brutal. Sixty minutes or more. Lots of very painful ball claws and nipple work. In no time we were soaked in sweat but the fight went on. It went back and forth–we still don't know which one of us has the tougher balls from all the ball busting. Erotic to the Extreme!! Thank you, Hotrod. I'll be back for even more!
OLDER RECOMMENDATION: Hotrod was referred to me by a mutual wrestler friend. We began chatting and quickly set up a date to wrestle. We both agreed to fight nude and dirty to submission, no-holds-barred, no-rules, anything goes, dirty tactics. Hotrod knew he had a 50-lb weight advantage on me and so was confident that the battle was already decided in his favor. As soon as I walked in to the apartment, the air was thick with confidence and attitude. So much so that we nearly came to blows before we could move furniture and roll out the mats. When we slammed into each other, it was 100% battle for both men. It was the closest thing to an all-out street fight in my 25 years of wrestling. He was absolutely floored that I won the day with tapping him out several times. It took everything I had to beat him. However, he is no push over and I submitted to his brutal holds as well. After two brutal hours of pain, sweat, and bruises, the fight ended in a draw. He had me laughing before, during and after the fight. He and his partner even double teamed me (cheating, of course) but who cares? We are sworn warrior brothers to fight and fight again....SOON! I am sore as hell and he even called to check on me the next day as he was concerned about my well-being. Now THAT IS FRIENDSHIP!! WOOF! UPDATE: Due to health issues, Hotrod is on a wrestling hiatus. But the battles will resume one day.
In my early years of wrestling, I spent a good amount of time traveling. One particular trip routed me through Minneapolis/St. Paul with a considerable layover between flights. Daddygrappler picked me up at the terminal and we went to wrestle. He was much stronger than I but we had a good time. He was very powerful but fun. I would recommend him.
We met again today 9/5/22 for some boxing and wrestling. Super nice guy right on time for meeting up and can deft take a good body punch!
September 5 2022. Met up with this tough guy for sparring. Actually took a few head shots. He destroyed my gut with gut punching. In submission wrestling, he got me the first fall and I got him the second fall. Almost nailed him with my "legs of death" head scissors. Hopefully he and I can schedule monthly sparring-wrestling meet ups.
I have decided to expand my combat sports and have a big interest in boxing. WABoxer came recommended by another MF user, CTRWash. After a couple of re-schedulings due to unforeseen circumstances, we met today. I only THOUGHT I knew about boxing. I had no idea! I had even asked for 10 oz gloves and this guy knew better! He had me use 22 oz gloves and we did mitt jabs for about an hour. We also traded unblocked body shots for several rounds. I thought my right arm was going to fall off (Yes, I'm a southpaw). What a great guy! And he's invited me back next month for more training. He is not a wrestler but if you want to box or learn to box, he's worth the effort!
After several years, Bud and I met again, this time in the ring for a battle. It went at least an hour and there were lots of submissions. Bud commented on how much stronger I was. He is a purple belt in BJJ and knows his moves (Bud, your legs are legs of death <G>). Had a great time rolling with him, just as I did in our last matches. This makes the third time I've wrestled Bud. He is strong, friendly, and a great guy to wrestle.
The original idea was for roughtmatch and me to have a formal pro wrestling match. We were going to transform my hotel room into a ring. However, when we met, we were so eager to battle that we simply strip down to trunks and went at each other, like the TV interview with two bad ass wrestlers who start fighting during the interview outside of the ring. We went at each other with clean and dirty moves until late into the night. Roughmatch is lots of fun and safe and safe no matter what your skill level is. We have some scores to settle in future matches.
Mutual friends highly recommended that I wrestle Duffy if I ever got the chance. That chance came in Seattle where we met as agreed. After stripping to our waists, we wrestled and had an awesome time. Duffy is highly skilled in amateur, submission, and pro wrestling as well. The ambiance of hotel rooms doesn't lend to realistic pro wrestling; however, Duffy put me through a good workout. He knows a lot of wrestling holds and we spent several hours learning and applying various ones, both in amateur style and pro style. It was well-worth my hour's drive to meet him. Duffy is the real deal and I am happy to recommend him.
Exactly one year after our first match, we met again to battle it out. After losing a match the previous week, he was all fired up. I got him in a couple of full nelsons and a head scissors but he destroyed me with the most painful ab claw I have ever had. It felt like he was trying to reach my spine. After a "banana split" and a brutal guillotine, my body was completely useless against him. He pinned me for the 1-2-3, the bell rang, and he stood over me flexing in the spotlight while I lay there, bruised and beaten like a real bad boy deserves.
Rob is a great guy and he is strong and quick and he can take some intense punishment. Our match was a lot of fun as we tried to out maneuver each other. I can’t wait to wrestle him again.
Here is a super-heavyweight wrestler that loves to use his knees and feet in a wrestling match. I hooked up with him at the OKIE Rumble. During part of the match, I got on my knees with my hands behind my back and allowed him to use his big feet to kick me in my midsection. He also likes to apply the Full Nelson and claims his is unbreakable. It was a hot time we had. He likes it rough, as do I. Am hoping for another limited rules bout with him sometime.
Had a great time with an ambitious and kind fella really wanting to explore and improve his pro wrestling. A good mindset and ability in the pro fashion that’ll make for a fun experience and new friend. Thanks champ!
Aries has a great personality and great attitude, both as a wrestler and as a friend. He has an extensive knowledge of classic professional wrestling. He was easy to work with and we had an awesome pro style match. He is not a submission guy but if you like old school pro or classic pro wrestling, then check him out.
While in California on a wrestling trip, I met RassleSF. We started the submission wrestling match stripped to the waist in briefs and ended up nude. It was fairly rough. He was a great host and made me feel at ease. I felt comfortable wrestling him and the longer we went the more aggressive it got. Great guy to roll with.
I have met Tom a few times in the past at hillside and my former house in ohio. He is a very tough and good wrestler. I am way bigger than he is but we have had good rough matches. We are planning the ultimate no submission match. Outside of a couple of agreed to rules, this is not a match which ends with a submission. The only way one of us wins is when the other says he has had enough and cannot continue. This could be a short match or a match that last for hours. Plenty of pain and torture but no injury. We are excited and hoping the next year is virus free so we fan have our match.
In the mean time when given a chance meet and wrestle him when he finally feels safe for matches to start up again.
Rick is an awesome heavyweight I have wrestled on several occasions, both at Hillside Wrestling and at his home when he lived in Ohio. He is far bigger and far more powerful than I but I enjoy wrestling him. Very nice guy. Even hosted me for a couple of nights in Ohio prior to our trip to Hillside. (This was prior to his move to Florida). We have plans to meet again for a very tough NHB battle. Our future battle will be extremely limited on rules; basically the fight goes until one of us is physically unable to continue. It will be long. It will be sweaty. It will be rough.
Rob and I wrestled about 10 yrs ago,, good man. Hes a committed wrestler and if I recall.. put on the gloves with me. THAT COUNTS>
He was passionate about wrestling then and is still gong strong
Bob is a well-built boxer, having competed in several underground events. He also is into submission wrestling. He is very strong and has a great attitude. It was fun to fight him. He brings a lot of knowledge about boxing and wrestling to the match. He has the ability to compete at various intensity levels. After the match, while we were in the shower, he did "speed-bag" action on my balls, which was awesome.
It started with a brief challenge for a match. After just a few weeks of trash talking, we finally met. We both agreed on a submission wrestling match with strikes to the body. He was true to his word on the type of the match he would deliver. He unleashed body strikes shortly after trapping me into a head scissors. I quickly returned the favor. Striking him with closed fisted punches to his body.
We rolled around wrestling for well over three hours, only stopping for a brief water break, then we quickly went at it again. I’m impressed by his willingness to go to levels that guys don’t seem to want. In the end. I gained one hell of a friend and fighting opponent. Off the mats, he’s a genuine good guy, that’s become of of my best friends on and off the mats.
Roughmatch was so much fun to wrestle. He could really take a beating, and it was fun to roll with someone who isn't afraid of the size difference and allowing it to get kinda rough (pun intended). He also has a great personality and was a fun guy to talk to throughout the event.
A gentle giant! This guy and I were totally opposite in weight class but we wrestled anyway. He toyed with me before submitting me which was a lot of fun. I would recommend him. He is strong, friendly both on and off the mats, but he WILL submit you!
This wrestler is amazing. When he agreed to wrestle me one day at the Hillside Wrestling Weekend, I was sure he would have an easy time making me submit. I looked at his physique and was in awe. But he surprised me in lowering the intensity level to something that we both enjoyed. He still beat me but we both had fun wrestling and it was not a short squash job. He even took time to visit with me about wrestling and show me some technique. I would be honored to wrestle him anytime, anywhere.
We wrestled at Hillside up on the grassy plain for several hours. Trading body blows, submission holds, and dirty tactics. Wrestled several times in his basement as well. He's a dirty fighter like I am and loves to get rough. Face slaps are big with him and we've traded some hard shots. I'll fight this guy anywhere anytime. Our next fight is going to be a NHB no limits sex fight on a private beach.
I met Roughmatch at Hillside Wrestling weekend in the early 2000's and have wrestled him in a few Pro-Wrestling ring matches. He takes a great beating as a jobber but also can be a formidable heel.
He also wrestles compeditive, submission too. When he lost a pro-wrestling match with me in 2010, I flogged him for punishment. He got mauled by the Bulldog, WOOF!
I met Jobberbear at Hillside Wrestling Weekend. It was during my early years in the world of underground wrestling and I barely knew how to do submission and pro wrestling. Jobberbear wrestled me, although he outclassed me in skill and outweighed me in weight. He was very fun and although he could have easily roughed me up, he scaled the intensity down to my level so we both could have a great and fun time on the mats.
Roughmatch and I had a great, long match today. He was very much as strong and tough as I expected and his skill in submission wrestling was very evident. And yes, we got into some rough wrestling with lots of punching. After submission wrestling we switched to folk style which just as fun. We enjoyed several hours of man2man fighting. Roughmatch, besides being a formidable opponent, is a real nice person whom I highly recommend to any man wanting a challenging match.
Where do I start describing this great wrestler? We met as agreed. He was everything in person-to-person as he said he was online. We wrestled rough and had a wonderful time. He is very considerate and friendly. Likes to punch and we even sparred a little with boxing gloves. I will recommend this man to anyone who asks. UPDATE: Today, 9-15-19, he and I boxed for the first time with head gear. We were going fairly well until he landed a good punch to the side of my head and I went down. Nice TKO, Dale. Thanks again for helping me try something new.
I have known and wrestled Roughmatch numerous times over the past 20 or more years. He has always been a gentleman. I prefer staged pro whereas Roughmatch's preferred style is more aggressive and mat oriented. However, he has always been respectful of my wishes and our matches have incorporate staged pro action and the matches have been enjoyable. He has amazing energy. I am proud to call him a Roberts.
Randy Roberts, an early wrestler from the BG East Wrestling Videos, instantly became a favorite when I saw him wrestle. In 1998, when I began visiting New York City on a regular basis, my host in Brooklyn knew Randy personally and arranged for us to wrestle. Over the years Randy and I have had memorable matches both in Randy's basement "dungeon" and in my friend's Brooklyn apartment. Randy is 100% pro wrestler from head to toe, Randy DID agree to throw in a few submission holds here and there to keep me humble. In addition, Randy is the reason for my ring name: Tommy Roberts. I wanted to be his tag team partner–we never got to do tag as I guess the other teams were scared of us–so I adopted the last name of Roberts. Randy is a fantastic guy both in and out of the ring.
Tuf is much bigger and stronger than I am but I challenged him to a submission match at the Hillside Wrestling Weekend some years ago. He and I wrestled and had a great time. He is much more powerful but it was a good roll and we both enjoyed it. He even gave me a lift to the bus depot after the wrestling weekend ended. Super nice guy.
Rob and I wrestled when I had a cast on my one foot in the middle of my living room with a bunch of guys watching. It was fun. A couple years later he stayed over my house in Hicksville, on Long Island in New York, and we had an erotic early morning match that will be remembered for a long time. Get a chance, have a match with him.
Met this wrestler at one of his WINS Club parties. We wrestled each other and he is damn good, even beat me with one leg in a cast from a work injury. We have also wrestled since that day and he is a very sexy guy. Would love to recommend him to anyone who likes it sensual and erotic. Dean also is very organized with his wrestling, knows exactly what he wants, and makes it clear to all what his expectations are through his profile.
Roughmatch was fun to wrestle in the pool. Stronger than he looks. Very friendly and out going guy. Looking forward to doing some match wrestling with this man. Recommend to meet with this guy if you have the chance.
This guy is an awesome, yet formidable opponent, even in pool wrestling. I had my hands full with him but enjoyed it tremendously. We even bare knuckle boxed standing in the water and traded some good punches. He and I will tangle again in the water and in the matroom. You win the gold star, buddy
Met this guy for a submission match. His height and weight overpowered me easily but we had a good time in the hotel match. Have good feelings towards him and he's recommended. On August 23, I met him for water wrestling. Due to aquaphobia, I had a very unpleasant experience with going underwater at first. NWfan kept encouraging me and after an hour or so, I asked a fellow water wrestler for a match. I was amazed at how much progress I had made in a short time, thanks to NWfant3.
After months of discussion and hundreds of messages back and forth, Tom and I met face-to-face and began our wrestling encounter. He is truly a “wrestler’s wrestler”; skilled in submission but wanting to learn pro. Despite my hobbling on my still-recovering foot, we clicked from the beginning. He wants to improve and I want to coach. His gear is amazing (and looks great on him). He has an “old school” wrestler frame. He loved every hold and maneuver. We have three days together. When we finish he will have spent much of our time together on my Resilite mats. It took so many years for us to make contact. Once we did, we bonded quickly. I cannot say enough about Tom. He is certainly one of my favorites and a fun guy to wrestle.
I literally have had my eyes on this guy for years but never made contact until last fall via messaging and phone. I finally met him today for three days of real pro wrestling, two of which are yet to come. He is highly skilled, an awesome teacher, and, most importantly, has promise and potential for being one of my closest and dearest friends---a quality I see as far more important than time on the mats. This man is worth meeting, both for the sport and for true friendship. His vast knowledge of holds and moves, coupled with his humor and good nature, make him both an ideal instructor as well as opponent. He is very good at showing HOW to properly wrestle professional style and does not make fun of mistakes made by students. A veteran of the ring, he is worth every effort to meet and have a match with.
If you are looking to wrestle one tough wrestler, do not miss the opportunity to wrestle this man. He is strong with a wicked pair of legs. We started out in speedos, stripped down and wrestle nude. He is also one heck of a man off the mats
This wrestler and I have wrestled more times than I can count. What I CAN count on is that he will never turn me down for a wrestle. Whether it is in a motel room, in his garage on mats, in his private gym on mats, or in the field under the blazing sun, he will give me the roughest, the toughest, and the longest bouts of any local grappler. We always hold each other to the 3-day rule: no shower, no bath, no deodorant or cologne for three days prior to the fight. During the fights, we make a point to shove our sweaty pits into each other's face. True primal man scent. In the early years of our bouts, he easily overpowered me time and time again. But over the years and through many bouts that got steadily rougher and more brutal, I began to hold my own against him. Now we are pretty evenly matched and roll a bit before either of us submits. Starting in briefs or thongs, it is never long before we are fighting nude and going after cocks and balls like nobody's business. If the day is hot and humid, we get sweat flying in every direction. We have an awesome and great time both on and off the mats.
He's a really nice guy with a lot of expierence. I was happy to talk with both about wrestling and our community. We wrestled on and off all night and generally had a good time.
Normally I'm against sleepers, but he really wanted me to apply them to him. I learned how to do them in my early 20s from martial arts classes, but I made sure we were safe during it. He loves being trapped in a good hold.
He was really good about respecting limits. He's a good guy who can give you a good struggle. Loves to fantasy roleplay.
I was more than a little nervous meeting this wrestler as he has a definite weight advantage on me. After a brief discussion on rules and limits, we stripped naked and started wrestling. He was easy to take down but his strength surprised me. He eventually rolled me and got me in a nasty head scissors. As round two began, we were back on our feet and he put me in a very tight bear hug and lifted me 6" off the floor!!!! We went back and forth all evening and even did some wrestling in the middle of the night. His sleepers knocked me out....LITERALLY! Very fun guy. Thanks for the wrestling, the evening, the eroticism, and the friendship
We had a short but fun and sweaty match. I highly recommend him
Met this man on several occasions while I was in NYC. He had his own mat room and we wrestled for a long time. He is a great guy on the mats and very hospitable and caring off the mats. Highly recommended for anyone traveling through the NYC area.
The match with this hot mat man was unfortunately too short. He was delayed in reaching the wrestling mat and we were on a limited schedule. He was a delight to wrestle and we had a good time. I only hope one day we can finish what we started. If it would have gone longer, it's hard to say who would have ended up on top.
Wrestled at Thunderdome for close to an hour. Very evenly matched and had a wonderful time. I would recommend him to anyone. The weight difference wasn't an issue; we were give and take the whole time. I plan to wrestle him again, hopefully next Thunder dome.
Tough, tougher, toughest......these all describe this wrestler/fighter. He is intense and will go the distance. Don't let him fool you; he is one of the toughest men I have fought. Nice guy off the mats but aggressive on the mats. If you think you're up for it, send him a challenge.
He and I wrestled at Hillside in the early 2000s. He is very big and very strong with very big muscles. He totally dominated me in the match. But he is friendly and adjusts his wrestling strength when up against a much smaller and weaker opponent.
I have had several matches with Roughmatch. He loves to be beaten up but is quite strong and can beat you too. Want you to be shirtless and loves to wrestle. He's good at it. Nice guy and we will continue to meet.
I first met Hardabs1 in 1997 in San Francisco. We spent an afternoon gut punching each other with him taking far more punches than I. Of course, he never caved in. Met him again a couple years later when I was again in the Bay Area. Another tough workout and, no, he didn't break. I even visited him in his home and more gut punching, more bruises (on me, of course) but he didn't break. Fast forward to July 2018. Seattle, WA. My boxing buddy and I BOTH worked him over and neither of us could drop him. After my buddy left, Hardabs1 worked my nipples hard and punched me twenty times in the lats. You want tough? Just meet up with Hard abs. He does sit ups daily. He works out hard. He is a super nice guy and a lot of fun. Just make sure you tighten your midsection.
Jeff and I wrestled in the underground fight club years ago in downtown SF. He was only 187 lbs and we had an awesome fight. I have not wrestled him since he bulked up but his profile makes me want to take him on again. I love big men who can throw little guys around! He is worth meeting. He is every bit the man his profile says he is. You won't be disappointed. Just don't be surprised if he comes out the victor!
Here is one of the nicest heavyweights you will ever meet. We wrestled at Hillside (the year escapes me) but he is one solid tough opponent. There was nothing I could do against him but he was patient and just toyed with me, submitting me over and over. Great attitude about life; he doesn't go into a match to "kill" the opposition. He is a giant teddy bear. But watch out! He has muscles of Samson and will use them to his advantage. He is worth the effort to meet and wrestle.
Bob and Andy hosted the Hillside Wrestling Weekend from 1993-2011. Bob and I wrestled several times during those years. Highly skilled in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and submission wrestling, Bob is very strong and competitive. In the years following the closure of Hillside Wrestling Weekend, Bob and I stayed in touch. I was excited when I found out he was attending Thunderdome 2019. We had an outdoor match, temps in the 90s, and it was one of the most sweaty matches of the weekend. Before we even locked up, we were soaked in sweat. The next 20 minutes was more like an oil match than submission wrestling. We wrestled that 20 minutes to a draw. I would highly recommend him. He is sincere. He is honest, and he can be depended on to show up for a bout.
Great guy, very strong and aggressive. Gave me a great hug and arm around when meeting. Listened to advice when necessary.
He and I wrestled the moment, literally, I arrived at ThunderDome and had a great time. He is strong, loves to learn new skills and a definite taker of punishment. Always ready to wrestle, on the mats or off, and is a fun guy to have matches with. Cheers mate.
I was honored this wrestler agreed to wrestle me immediately upon his arrival to Thunder dome. We had two private matches, one of which was a fantasy of mine. He won beat the two private matches but not without a fight.. Later on, in the public wrestling room we went at it again and I nearly submitted him but he managed to catch me off guard and submit me. He and I talked about life in general and mutual interests that we have. This gave us a break from the wrestling. During the wrestling break, he asked me to gut punch him, which I enjoyed very much, as he took a considerable amount of medium to hard punches. He complimented me on my methods, which I appreciated considerably. Armyman is a muscle stud and I enjoyed giving him muscle worship. He's tough with lots of stamina, and he holds his own. . A total #1 experience for me! His muscles and high energy level combine to make him a formidable but awesome opponent. He is worth wrestling anytime, anywhere! Hope we can tangle again!
We met years ago but I remember it well. He is willing to go as rough as you want. High threshold for absorbing power and pain. Respects limits. Spirit of a real fighter/brawler. Hot man.
I met this grappler while on a visit to the Chicago area. I had multiple destinations throughout the city with multiple opponents. This man made time in his busy schedule to pick me up and go to his apartment. He was very hospitable and, though we didn't have room to wrestle, we rough housed and had a good time. I'm always ready to meet him again, hopefully in a ring or cage or on mats.
I had wrestled this gentleman at Hillside years ago. We wrestled again at Thunderdome. He has NOT lost his skill ability at all! I outweigh him by 40 lbs and he just had me submitting left and right. But it was a great match with a great guy. Jim, I will see you on the mats again next year and we'll go at it again! You've got a sweet personality, which belies your strength and skill, which you use to win. Awesome match, brother. We're going to roll again!
When this hunk entered the tent and stripped off his shirt, it was all I could do to resist jumping him and wrestling him down right there. I got my chance soon enough in the main wrestling barn. Yes, I lost hands down but we went two or three rounds and I enjoyed every minute of it. This guy is strong, quiet, and resilient. Just watch out! There is nothing but muscle on this guy! Yes, we will wrestle again, Kayden. You can count on it!
In the late 90s I came across the BG East wrestling videos. One of the wrestlers, Scott, nearly made my heart stop with his awesome body. I often fantasized of wrestling him and dreamed of having a real life match one day. I like to apply head scissors and I knew Scott did as well. My fantasy now included a double head scissors. Well, don't say dreams don't come true. Mr. Scott and I took it to the mats at Thunderdome. You name it, we did it. Erotic. Pain and suffering. Arm bars. Face sitting. Hard nipple twists. Tough ball squeezes. And the toughest double head scissors I've ever experienced. This man is worth meeting, even if it involves flying across country. Yes, he got me to submit.....but let it be said that I got one or two taps out of the big guy. Thank you, Scotty, for making dreams reality. I want a re-match!!!
Had a lot of fun rolling with Roughmatch. He is spunky, determined, and very, very willing to keep coming back for more. As far as Thunderdome attendees go, he was right up near the top for enthusiasm and sheer number of matches. In addition, he has a very good pain tolerance, and I seriously enjoyed working him over. Also need to offer my thanks to you bro for sticking around and helping with event breakdown. We will roll again.
AverageJoe puts in tons of hours each year planning, setting up, and hosting the Thunderdome. He is an excellent wrestler/fighter and we had a short but hot match this year. He rarely has time to get on the mats and I was honored to wrestle him. He also was kind enough to help me explore some other fetishes of mine. I would recommend him highly. And if you care to, check out the Thunderdome each year in July. AverageJoe has all the details.
I met Roughmatch at Thunderdome. He's definitely got an aggressive attitude, which I like, and we had a good time tumbling on the mats. We were pretty evenly matched for a good sweaty battle. Hope we get a rematch at Thunderdome next year.
Very surprised at how strong he is. Grabbed my neck and I couldnt throw him off. Very enthusiastic about wrestling .I think he could go all day.
This guy was absolutely great to wrestle. He already had some action and so wasn't too rested when we wrestled but he had his hands full. He and I had a great time and I would meet him again. I also want to meet him sometime and let him gut punch me.
Tom is a study case in what wanting to learn can achieve . I don’t think I’ve met a guy as spirited and as willing to wrestle as Tom . He could go for hours on end and is willing to meet in wrestling anyone available . Part of this could feel overzealous . So at times precautionary actions must be taken . All that aside his heart comes out shining and his desire to understand technique is admirable . He’s very resilient and will
make you work hard . We found out later at the event we were that he is an innate gut puncher !... see you next time bud ! Looking forward !
Como estas, mi amigo? Where do I start with this wrestler? He is so patient, so kind, so understanding, and so willing to teach. I learned so much from this man, both in wrestling him myself and watching him demonstrate on other guys. He even helped me with some misunderstandings that suddenly popped up about the whole wrestling thing. Thank you for your patience and for wrestling me. This guy is worth traveling the globe to meet and wrestle. And if you aren't familiar with the various moves and holds, I am sure he would be more than happy to show you!
DO NOT.....let me repeat DO NOT let this man's size fool you. He is 100% muscle, skill, wrestling god, and I'm not sure what else! He is fantastic. Submitted me over and over and over and over without me getting in ONE hold, period. Very worthy opponent and worth meeting. Was even helpful in explaining some of the house rules of the event since I was a new comer. Thank you bud
Occasionally I will see a man I want to wrestle but then I look at his muscle and his size and I ask myself, "Is this suicide?" This is what happened with this guy. I really wanted him on the mats but knew there was probably nothing in the world I could do against him. He agreed to wrestle and we did some submission; he totally dominated me. Then I asked for a pro match, which we did and he was a great teacher at pro. We even went private and he fed some of my other fetishes that I have. Wonderful guy to wrestle and great personality. Thanks, bud
This guy is stunning! He walked onto the Thunderdome campus and was wrestling within 5 minutes and had at least 6 guys back to back matches. I think I was number 3; he was already sweating buckets. We went at it for a bit and he eventually submitted me but he has his hands full with me. I almost got him because the sweat made it very slippery but he had the stamina to finish me off. Great wrestler! Worth every effort to meet him and wrestle!
I do believe I have found my alter ego with Roughmatch. I just recently met him this past weekend at Thunderdome for the first time ever. I have found that he and I have very much in common, yet we have our distinct differences. But what we have most in common is the fact that we both seemed to be on "automatic" during the wrestling event. He and I rolled many times and developed a deep bond. Yet with all the times we did roll, we never had to convince the other to do so. We seemed to be constantly ready to roll. He's a lot of fun and I recommend him very highly. Lookout you guys in the Northwest, you have your own version of Raybo on the loose, and he'll wrestle whoever is willing to and doesn't care who wins or loses as long as he can roll with you....a lot like me!
This guy is a "hoot"! After our first wrestling match–he won by submission–he would see me walk in the door and want to take me down again.....and again.....and again....and again. Guess I look like a wrestling dummy! Anyway, this guy is strong as hell and a great grappler. Knows his submission holds so don't be fooled. If this guy and I could, we'd meet weekly to fight. He is rough but also gentle with newcomers. I would recommend him.
180 lbs VS 300 lbs---a true David vs Goliath match up. Nothing I could do from the start; very strong guy with good grappling and submission skills. He had fun toying with me before I was forced to tap out. Nice guy and worth meeting again.
I had a great time wrestling Roughmatch. He is a real scrapper ! If you get a chance wrestle him.
Had a blast rolling with this guy. He's skilled, strong, and a nice guy. Would definitely recommend.
He was really great to wrestle,really enjoyed him, hope to wrestle him again
Had a great time wrestling around with Roughmatch at Thunderdome this past weekend. Likes taking punishment about as much as giving it out. Very pleasant to hang with before and after match and he is always ready to roll!
Had a great time taking on this guy at Hillside wrestling weekend very tough and will not quit. Def likes to throw a punch and can take quite a bit. Need to have a rematch with him someday.
Mark and I stripped to trunks and wrestled at his apartment overlooking the Atlantic Ocean. He was a very tough competitor and easily submitted me. But I was still in my early days of wrestling; he didn't mind my lack of experience. He is a great guy and fun to wrestle but can be very competitive. Good tussle for all.
A very provocative and inspiring opponent who is both tough and resilient(albeit given to some hyperbole in his generous critique of our several encounters). He can handle whatever you throw at him and come back for more. He is eminently durable and can get rough if you incline toward extreme physicality.And that ,of course, is what makes it so hot if u are able to subdue him(which may come at a price). Also,he is very friendly and gregarious! Just be ready to fight.
I met and wrestled this tough man several times on my trips to the East. I would attend Hillside Wrestling and then spend a week in NYC. While in NYC, I would take the bus to NJ and wrestle this man. He is unbeatable. He has powerful thighs and a powerful chest. Nice bulge to the biceps as well. I never was able to do anything against him but he was very hospitable and wonderful off the mat. On the mat, he is a very tough competitor.
The year: 2002. Location: Phoenix, AZ. Temps in the low 100's. SubmissionGrapple walked in the room, stripped off his shirt, and it was all-out war from the start. We wrestled and fought for what seemed like hours. I then wrestled him again in Portland while he was on a business trip. We then wrestled again in Portland for one solid hour a couple years later. He is a very strong and tough competitor. Anyone who wants a very good tough match needs to wrestle him. He's not a striker; he prefers grappling only. But he has a killer headlock and doesn't go down without a hell of a fight.
We sure did have a couple short matches....easy going guy here....will go any type match you want....he is always ready to roll at anytime...if ya wanna match...hit him up
I was staying in Philly with Romangod on my way to my first Hillside Wrestling Weekend in 1998. Late one night Michael and a friend came in from Arizona. Although he was tired, Michael and I had a short submission match. I have never been in a more powerful head lock than Michael's. He's got the biggest biceps. We also had a little sweaty match at Hillside as he was coming off of a longer match on the mats. I would like to wrestle Michael a full submission match from start to finish but I'm grateful for the two short matches we had. He is a very tough competitor (watch those guns of his!) but a sweet and wonderful guy off the mats.
We met several times beginning in the mid 90s through the late 2000s when I lived in Seattle. He is a tough opponent, skilled and loves the sport. He will work with any level and make sure you both have fun. We had a really rough match once that was great fun and he knew when to give and take with my abilities.
He went through a lot and has come out the other side the better man for it all. I hope to meet him again someday but hopefully in a ring next time. GRRRR
Good guy. You'll have fun.
He and I agreed to wrestle at his place.. While wrestling, something came over me and I wanted to have a mutual J/O session with him. This man and I talked for hours on issues of men coming "out", which I also experienced. He was 1000% supportive as I went through the details of my situation. He made me feel ok about myself. I owe everything to this wonderful man and our wrestling match.I will recommend him to anyone who wants to feel safe and have a good time wrestling.
Have wrestled this bare chested stud twice .... once in Utah and once in Seattle. I am ready to lock horns again, bare chested man against bare chested man, drenching in sweat to the end!
This is truly what you see is what you get–tough as nails, strong and muscular, respectful of limits, friendly off the mats, all business on them. I would wrestle him every day if possible.
Began chatting with this wrestler online many years ago. We worked out some fantasy matches that, if we could meet, we would execute. As usual, distance proved to thwart our plans: he on the East Coast, myself on the West Coast. However, due to an invitation from a strong tough wrestler I had encountered at Hillside Wrestling, I visited the very town where Senior Bear lives. After wrestling my host, he left for some errands and allowed Senior Bear to come wrestle me at the apartment. In his younger years, Senior Bear had wrestled tough endurance matches at a local gym after hours and had great skill and strength. Even now, he hadn't lost much of that. We wrestled around for a good while and he even used his signature submission hold on me: a hyper-ventilating bear hug. I totally enjoyed myself and would love to see him again. He is not ready for any all-out brawl but if you are in the area, he would be willing to do some light wrestling and exchange of holds.
Awesome and skilled grappler. One of my best matches ever in my career. Rough but sane. Not afraid to get into the action. Nice guy. Great attitude. Will recommend him in an instant. This man knows what real submission wrestling is all about. He's rough and tough, just the way I like my bouts.
i remember our Battle Royale in NYC, a sprawling, brawling good time on the mats. Rough Match is as he described. Reliable, fun. When he gets back to the Big Apple, I hope another Tag Team/Battle Royale can be arranged.
I was in NYC for a wrestling trip several years ago. My host arranged for a tag team match of four men. Samson_Jr was one of the four. We wrestled and wrestled and although I had size on him, he put up a great fight. It was a blast and I hope to wrestle him again.
After a year of challenges and threats I finally met this guy for a two day match. Both fighters agreed to fight with few rules and gear. We locked up as soon as we got in the room. The fighting was intense and competitive. Rough match is exactly what he says he is a true warrior that fights to win an doesn't back down. I had to use everything I had to beat this guy, and it wasn't easy. He's strong, skilled, and made me work hard for the win. I would definitely recommend this tough guy to anyone who wants to push the limits of their fight game. I look forward to our next brawl.
where do I start? this guy and i went two days of wrestling, and I had a blast. we started competitive but he is so strong, we knew we had to scale it down. I would recommend him for anyone. He is safe, sane, yet rough. Just know he will probably submit you. He is the toughest and strongest wrestler I have met in 19 years of wrestling.
A very rough and aggressive wrestler, he can take a pounding and give it out just the same, alot of sweaty action, very hard to submit. Do not let his size fool you, or you will be the fool. looking forward to another match with this guy!
I had a wrestling match scheduled with this wrestler. It required about a two-hour drive each way to wrestle him. He showed up as promised, invited me in, and we stripped down. It was a hotel room and we were limited on wrestling space but we still had a very good wrestling match. We became fast friends as we wrestled. He's a solid, tough muscled wrestler and made me work hard during the match, which I expect from any opponent. He knew holds and moves and did not just lie down and let me beat him. He's a very decent clean wrestler. Tough, strong, good-natured. Can be rough or gentle as needed. One of my best wrestling matches ever. Can't wait until he has another reason to travel back here. Glad to recommend him. Well worth the effort.
I have met this wrestler a couple of times. He asked that I not resist, which I obliged. He knows a lot of painful compliance holds, which I enjoy.
Tough guy in the match but a very nice guy when not wrestling. He wrestles to win and loves to take control.
I would recommend him unless you are not into rough.
we met a while back for a short match, he is quite tough and can both give an take some good punishment. Nice guy, respects limits and is safe and sane
Wrestled in 1997. Very skilled grappler and kick boxer. We had just a few minutes but enjoyed the match. I was fairly new to wrestling but he adjusted the intensity level. I am always up for another bout with him. Very nice guy and fun to wrestle.
This grappler was one of my matches at the start of my wrestling career. Having little or no knowledge of submission wrestling, I went into the match with little hope of getting the upper hand.
This man was totally cool with a "newbie". He was massively hairy and the sweat rolled easily from both of us. His signature finisher is the sleeper to which I succumbed several times during the match.
Very hospitable guy and fun to roll with. I always appreciate men who, although they are highly skilled and muscled, will work with a new guy and show him the "ropes".
Redlandguy and I wrestled a number of years ago. He was much more advanced in grappling skills than I. Yet he wrestled me at my skill level and even offered me some training on technique, defense, etc. He's very strong and skilled and hard to submit. But very nice guy off the mats and very open to differences in skill levels between him and his opponent. One of my best experiences ever.
Both of us attended OKIE Rumble and that's where we wrestled. I was a newcomer to the sport of submission wrestling and of course this grappler out muscled and out wrestled me. But he was a good sport and didn't flaunt his win. We enjoyed the match and had a good time.
I was barely learning how to wrestle when a California underground fight leader invited me to his mat room for a wrestling birthday party. This wrestler I am reviewing was one of the attendees. We wrestled on and off with each other and with other wrestlers there. It was fun although I didn't have a clue how to wrestle. He has always been fun and a great wrestler.
Short match with Mongo during a "round robin" in the pro ring at Hillside. He is a huge man but has a great personality and has great sportsmanship. Although I could have been easily bulldozed through the canvas, he toyed with me and allowed me to have fun, considering the huge weight difference.
Wrestled submission at Hillside in a "round robin" affair with several other men. He outweighed me and the match was very short but he was very cordial and knew how to hold back so as not to crush me underneath him. His knowledge of MMA helped him use an arm bar to submit me.
Both of us attended the Hillside Wrestling Weekend on several occasions. We wrestled a good match on the submission mats. He was very strong and skilled. He out-weighed and out-muscled me, which gave me challenges I could not overcome. I lost to him in several rounds but he was very sportsmanlike and a lot of fun to fight.
WarriorMuscle is a great guy to wrestle. Although he was far stronger and more skilled than I, he knew how to hold back so the match was enjoyed by both of us. He could have easily squashed me in submission but he is a great talented wrestler and made it fun. If you want to pit your strength against a strongman, here's your man.
Wrestled on the mats at Hillside wrestling. This guy is one tough fighter. We wrestled submission and he is very good. I've seen him wrestle pro but I like to think of him as a submission fighter. I think he might go NHB but those types of fights were not allowed during the Hillside Wrestling Weekend.
We wrestled long ago indeed in okie rumble. Nice guy who really likes his wrestling, will give u a good time. Hope i wrestle him again
What can I say about this guy! Great guy and fum to beat on in a ring or on mats! Always comes back for more. Looking forward to another round with him!
Wrestled this hunk as part of a three-way fight in Hollywood, CA, a number of years ago. Was beaten pretty soundly in the fight. Following the fight, he tied me to the ring ropes and had his way with me using a rubber flogger on my bare back. A proper way to use a loser as a pain slave. Highly recommend this fighter for a good strong bout.
I wrestled this tough guy many times at Hillside Wrestling. He is very skilled. Smaller guy but don't let that fool you. He has some very punishing holds. Pleasure to fight him and he comes recommended if you want to have a good sweaty rassle.
Met rough match a few times in Seattle. Great guy and tough as nails yet safe and sane. If your in the area I would def recommend you look him up.
Great guy to wrestle. We've had lots of matches including a memorable and very rough match at the Okie Rumble, and a more recent sub match with an audience in the boxing ring of my gym (after a match on the home mats and a workout at said gym). Rough sub and striking's all cool. Look him up if you're in the area.
Smallest guy I've ever wrestled. Lean and mean. Nicknamed the "Energizer Bunny" because of his endless stamina. I've seen him wrestle multiple guys over a space of just a few minutes. Doesn't like his action real rough but don't be fooled. He usually makes me tap out to a cradle every time. Excellent wrestler in collegiate and submission. Great host. Nice attitude. Willing to teach. One of my best buds on and off the mats. Love the impromptu fights he starts, even when there are no mats. He comes highly recommended. He will wrestle guys twice his size and often make them tap.
A real "shoot fighter" who can hang with the best of them. Do not let his weight fool you, he can handle himself even with men 100# heavier.
A nice guy off the mat, and one I would wrestle again anytime.
Have wrestled him several times over the years, most recently in January, 2014 and it's always a great match, tough battle, and lots of satisfaction all around. Highly recommended!
Have wrestled RFC on a number of occasions: namely, in West Hollywood and in Seattle. He is a strong, tough opponent who will go all out in a match, including low blows and CBT. Nice guy off the mats; on the mats he fights to win. Has a sadistic side for victim torture, which is also nice! Comes highly recommended.