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A song for usVanman's blog


A couple of days ago a song came on during my commute and I couldn’t help but think that it applied very much to MF and our interactions and the things we get from it.

I’ve been to meets where the average age of attendees would give Methuselah a run for his money. But each guy in their own way was still a teenager, at least for the duration of the meet.

That’s what’s important because we all get old sometime and feeling young seems to extend your life. In effect feeling young let’s you get older!

What we do does NOT make sense to most people. Think of the reactions you’d get from friends if you openly said, I enjoy the challenge of facing another wrestler across the mats. You have no idea what the outcome of the match will be, will it be just a friendly roll or will this guy rip you apart. (Some Guys genuinely surprise you). Any scenario you go into is full of hazards, in fact it is almost foolish to consider doing this stuff. Think of the potential injuries, the embarrassment of explaining to the ambulance crew why your ankle has been snapped!

Having said all of the above, it still makes me smile each time. I have met people from numerous walks of life, countries, lifestyles and ‘preferences’. I have even managed to find opponents older than me!

Each and everyone of them has added so much to me as a person; for this I will always be thankful.

Long may it continue.

Oh by the way the song…….?

Be young, Be foolish, Be happy.

If you aren’t old enough to know it use YouTube.

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Liam Thompsonchub's blog


Liam Thompson (ZimboTapTap & LymoJobber) has come off Meetfighters due to the current military action in his home country.

He is not available for matches and I am not in a position to ask him for you. Please can people stop messaging me asking for his contact details.

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2017-11-16Jman77's blog


When I travel to "major cities" to wrestle, I assume it's understood that I'd naturally want to explore that area to an extent. However, that, more often than not, is not understood. In addition, there isn't much in the way of hospitality. I only agree to meet or host when I'm certain I have the time for it. If I'm not sure, I say so up front. I want my opponents experience to be a fulfilled one. That's not often the case when I travel. Though there are a few standouts. I consider myself extremely blessed to have met a handful of guys who are willing to exert the same effort as me to make a meet happen. Refer to my past opponents list and you will find some of the greatest guys on the planet.

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Bodyscissors TechniqueChris in seattle's blog


Ok, so if you feel like this comes across as pedantic... well suck it up buttercup. Here is my long winded explanation into getting the most powerful scissors you can. Someday I may do a video version but til I get a volunteer this will have to do. As many of you know I am a switch when it comes to really any kind of sadomasochism, which, frankly, is exactly what everyone in this group is here for. You either like hurting someone with scissors or you like being hurt. Well, here's how to get the most out of it. I will give the caveat that some of what I say may not be applicable to live rolling. I will do another post soon on training your muscles for scissors, I am a personal trainer and I have given this lots of thought.

So many guys go out of their way to get wrestling boots, wrestling shoes etc and they claim this is for leverage. The main weakness of all scissors is the ankles and anything you do to support them will give you a stonger scissor. With all scissors you want to keep your feet flexed, never pointed. If you feel your calves cramping it's because you're pointing your toes. I suspect the habit to do so is to give the ankle more structural strength and you feel like your anterior tibialis (on the front of your shin) isn't strong enough to provide that strength. If your calf is engaged it means your A.T. is not. When talking about muscle engagement remember that if a muscle on one side of a joint is shortening, the other is lengthening. In order for your calf to engage your A.T. has to disengage.

In a straight scissor, regardless of type not only should you keep your "boots on" (meaning keeping your feet in the boot "L" shape) but you should think about pushing your heels away. A lot of guys have this tendency to do a hamstring curl and draw their heels closer to their bodies to squeeze in. The problem with this is that the glutes and quads are the primary movers for getting a good squeeze on. The hamstrings are the antagonist muscle to the quads, so when the hams shorten to pull your heels closer to you your quads relax and allow the legs to bend. This also hinders your glutes from engaging leaving all the work to your adductors which are relatively small muscles on your inner thigh. These are your Susan Sommers thigh master muscles. You'll find that if you rely on these muscles your inner thighs will be very sore the next day. I'm not saying that they won't be sore the next day otherwise, but more so. Also, you'll find yourself getting burned out in your squeeze session sooner if you use this technique. I'm guessing in 1/10th the time vs driving your heels away. Now, some guys in a side to side (where the top leg goes over the gut) scissor will lift their hips off the ground and turn into their victim. Within reason I don't see why not, what it does is put more weight into their diaphragm.

On the side to side scissor both having your victim face up or face down has it's merits. You get to see their face and bulge if their face up, you have the potential for more squeeze face down. If a person is face up, their spine creates a solid platform for their body weight so your legs alone provide the squeeze, if they're face down their bodyweight is being pressed into the bottom leg with the top leg bearing down more. The difference is pretty minute but they should feel the difference. Also it makes it easier to keep pressure on even when you're not squeezing. I actually had a guy today pick up my legs when I was on my back and start to fold them toward my face while in this scissor (face up) and it placed more pressure on my diaphragm making it harder to breathe. It was quite lovely.

In the side to side scissor we really want to avoid placing our legs on the hips because they are hard and inflexible. You're fighting a losing battle against solid bone and it won't be comfortable for either of you. You either want to be centered on the gut or centered on the chest. I have had guys place their knee on my solar plexis (base of the sternum) because they know that's the worst place. Here's the thing, even though you're being evil and sadistic you want your training partner to come back, you probably even like the guy. Pressing into the solar plexis makes you nauseated and could lead to injury, neither one motivates me to want to play with you so please don't. I have seen some guys go diagonal across the ribs and over the shoulder, this might have some merit to it but may also have some added risks, I'll get back to you on that one.

Front to back or back to front, I don't seem much of a functional difference between them. Because of the tapered nature of the body your legs are usually going to funnel toward the waist with part of your thigh on the ribs, part right above the hip. You can hike yourself up and place your legs high on the ribs. Be careful with this scissor in general (regardless of high or low placement). The ribs can flex a lot more in this position which is fun and more painful but because of this added range of motion the risk of injury goes up quite a bit. Try to let go of this scissor slowly and gradually. If you come off it fast the ribs will explode back into position. I don't know if it will cause injury, what I do know is it's a shocking experience and not in a good way. With this scissor try to keep your legs as close to perpendicular to your partner as possible. The more you angle them the less squeeze you get and a lot of time you'll end up on the hips which limits your ability to squeeze at all. Also, when you extend your legs away from perpendicular to your opponent's torso, because of the grip you have on them, you end up causing spinal flexion or extension depending on your position. With enough force you could feasibly paralyze your opponent or cause damage to the spine and they aren't even getting a good squeeze out of it so what's the point?

Some people will also, from this position though some can get it in the side to side scissor, reach their arms around their opponent and their own legs, lock their hands (gable grip, please, no broken fingers) and straighten their arms. I've heard this called a scorpion crunch. This is a good technique especially when your legs are tired. It increased your force production by a significant margin (I'm guessing 50% though maybe I'll measure it someday). With great power comes great responsibility, don't go breaking someone's ribs. If this is placed centered on the floating ribs it could possibly cause vomiting. I haven't had issues when it's place high or low though. Because of the great pressure from this one be sure to let it off slow so as not to terrify your partner.

Ok, the body triangle. This can be hard for many people to get on. For the sake of ease, let's call the left leg the locking leg, and the right one is the one going around your parnter's waist, sitting straight across their gut. Because of the nature of this unless you have very long legs, you'll probably not get it on the ribs. When locking it on, lean to your right if you are in back mount (seated behind your partner) or you can turn to your right if you're in top 4 quarter. By turning to the right you can get your leg further across making it easier to lock your left leg on. When you square up it will cinch down a bit. Make sure your right foot is tight right behind the bend of your left leg, if it's on the calf you don't have a body triangle and it will be mostly useless. Again, like all other scissors, your right leg should be flexed, never pointed (boots on).

Make sure your right ankle is not on the left hip because you won't be able to squeeze and this actually kind of hurts in a not so much fun way. Likewise you don't want your right knee riding up on the floating ribs as this will cause cartilage damage which will get reinjured every time that person rolls. We like our jobbers better when they continue to play with us.

To tighten a body triangle move your left leg away from your opponent. This drives your left quad more into their side. Flex your leg muscles. Flex your right foot up as hard as you can. You can also reach around your opponent and grab one or both legs and start to bearhug them into you. Again, this moves the pressure up into their chest.

On the body triangle people are tempted to arch their hips. This moves tension off of the core of your victim and onto their hips. Doing so also puts a staggering amount of tension onto the low back. If you go belly down and do this the odds of breaking the spine becomes fairly high. Again, we don't break our play things.

And that's it for this post. I'll do one later on training your muscles for it. Keep in mind that scissors are more about endurance than blunt strength. You want to wear your opponent down. If you end up squeezing me know that I can take more than 2 1/2 hours to wear down in a scissor if you're just trying to make me suffer. I usually end up wearing out the heel, not the other way around. I'm one of many scissor sufferers like that so focus on the endurance game.

A quick set of tips on endurance. Focus on carbs the day before a play date. Creatine may help a little. Be well hydrated. Don't use stimulants. Focus on your breathing and don't always go 100%, especially early on. Utilize the body triangle and scorpion crunch when you're getting tired in the legs so that your victim continues to suffer while you recover. Think about your placement, a victim can take less on their chest as they can their gut so you can get the same misery level with less effort. Use knee ride (aka knee on belly) or scarf hold to take a break but not let them rest. Don't bother with mount because your weight becomes to spread out among multiple points to get the desired affect.

If you have thoughts or questions don't hesitate to message me.

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CommunityVanman's blog


Was at Pippas today, made up to meet two other wrestlers who were leaving.

Really nice and hopefully will set matches with them.

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Training for scissorsChris in seattle's blog


To start off I will say that I am a personal trainer. The first thing to understand is that we have 3 types of muscle fibers, type I, type IIx, and type IIa and so we should consider what is the most applicable type to train for bodyscissors. I'm not going to say that you should aim for more type IIx or IIa but for the sake scissors type I are not applicable. Type I are defined as being low resistance and use oxygen to create energy. They almost never tire but they have no applicable strength. These are the muscle fibers we use when we run or do jumping jacks or other activities which have low resistance but high rep output. Type IIx are bulky muscle fibers which use muscle sugars called glycogen as their primary energy source. They produce a lot of CO2 and don't process energy well so they tend to burn out fast. These are great for getting someone to tap out fast but for long scissor torture they will cause you to tire quickly. Type IIa are type IIx except that they have developed more mitochondria which helps them process energy better and get rid of waste more efficiently. These muscle fibers behave more like a blend of type I and IIx.

To understand muscle contraction I'd recommend looking up sliding filament theory on youtube. It's better to see it than to have me describe it. What you can gather from that is that we only get strength within the range of motion we train so it's important when designing your program that you consider the full safe range of motion that you train. Some exercises will only work a partial range of motion like a dumbbell triceps kickback (depending on the elbow joint's relationship to gravity parts of the exercise will have no resistance in the triceps). Also keep in mind that over-training some muscles while not working the opposite can create muscle imbalances (such as working the quads more than the hamstrings can alter the front to back tilt of the pelvis creating low back pain).

For straight scissors, as mentioned in my last post, the power of a scissor comes from the straightening of the legs, driving the heels away, not from the squeezing of the knees together so focusing on hip adduction exercises, especially in the seated adduction machine is not going to generate a significant amount of added power to your scissors. The power of a scissors starts from a solid lock at the ankles which is a achieved with an isometric (non moving) contraction of the anterior tibialis (the muscle on the front of your shin), a straightening of the knee (shortening of the quads), the shortening of the adductors, and internal rotation generated in the medial glutes with stabilization of the knee through the iliotibial (IT) band via a flexing of the glutes.

For specific exercises I will be linking youtube videos as well as describing exercises.

For the anterior tibialis you can use a cable machine or elastic band. Anchor your elastic band and then hook it over your foot, moving closer to the hard point to lesson the resistance and further away to increase it. Obviously if you point your toe away from you too far the band will fly off but that's ok because for our purposes we want to be working from just past 90 degrees on one side and coming as far into dorsal flexion (toes to your nose) as possible. We don't have to go super heavy but we want to spend as much time under tension as possible to build more endurance in the muscle.

Here's one of my favorite exercises for the quads. I like this one because your quads work under high load for a very long time without a break again building up endurance.

Eccentric high steps. I don't like this guys form. When you go up and down imagine there is a string attached above your sternum and it is pulling you straight up and keeping you up when you go down. Try not to let your knee travel past your mid foot. Take as much time as you can coming down to the ground. When picking the height of your step put your leg on the step and look at it, it should be 90 degrees or slightly below. You don't want your knee to be at an acute angle.

Now, yes, squats are great, do squats just try to spend as much time in motion as possible, avoiding pauses at the top and bottom.

For your adductors:
I like this movement because it's a relatively safe way to hit the adductors in the anatomical position.

You may also incorporate the seated hip adduction.
For both these exercises you should focus on time under tension and potentially incorporate in isometrics by holding for 10 seconds in various positions.

To work on your internal rotation you can place a foam roller between your legs, bend at the knees to 90 degrees, put ankle resistance bands on your ankles and pinch your knees together as your bring your ankles apart. The bands could the therabands or the bands that Velcro around your ankles.

Weighted bridges and sumo squats would also be good to add.

To increase your endurance start incorporating high rep high speed exercises
Like plyometric high steps

Jump squats
Plyolunges
Drop lunges with heavy weights and high reps
Kettlebell swings (not American style, that has fewer reps per minute)
Shuttles (maintain a low squat while shuttling)

I would design my program by supersetting two exercises, doing 3-5 sets of 12 reps with progressive overload to near failure with 3 minutes rest between sets. Then go to your next superset of two exercises. Get through all your movements. Spend a couple months focusing on building strength doing legs no more than twice a week (not neglecting the muscles not relevant to scissors). In this phase only lift slow and heavy, maybe adding in isometrics (holding exercises). Then spend 6 weeks working in a 20 rep max for 4-5 sets with 90 seconds of rest between sets. Then start going easy into high rep lower resistance exercises like the jump squats hitting 20 reps without pausing. Work your way up to doing high intensity circuits and shortening your rest periods. After a few months start supersetting your heavy lifts with your high intensity lifts starting heavy then doing your plyometrics, then resting. This helps your type IIx become type IIa.

When it comes to bulking and cutting understand that when you cut you lose muscle mass and that includes cardiac muscle. There are no peer reviewed credible studies showing that bulking and cutting increase your gains more than just building gradually. Likewise there is no scientific evidence that eating excessive amounts of protein increase muscle size or strength but excessive protein consumption has been shown to increase the risks for kidney problems, gout, and certain types of cancer especially when a protein supplement is involved. If you must take a protein supplement check out it's rating at www.labdoor.com before you buy. Supplements are not checked by the FDA and are only pulled when the FDA is able to link the supplement to a series of health complications or deaths in a number of people typical of government efficiency. Your muscles use predominantly glycogen which is a muscle sugar when you work out, it is important that your muscles are properly fueled before your workouts and you replenish your blood sugar by consuming carbs immediately after your workout. Your daily carb intake should be between 50-70% of your caloric intake, protein 15-30%, and fats, 10-30%. To calculate your caloric need multiply your weight by 10, then multiply that by your activity factor: sedentary 1.2-1.3, moderately active 1.4-1.6, and active 1.7-2.0. To figure out your macro balance multiply your caloric need with your macro percentage. To convert that to grams divide your protein and carbs by 4, fats by 9. If you are more active you may consume simpler carbs, if you are sedentary try to stick to fiber rich complex carbs. Aim to keep your simpler sugars to right after your workouts. If you are sedentary keep your carbs closer to 50%, if you're more active go with a higher percentage.

This was longer than I wanted. Again if you have questions feel free to post them here or message me directly. Thanks

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It is obvious nowRocket's blog


That I find boxing more of my type of fighting. I don't mind wrestling but I prefer to be up and around with a chance to land a good hit.
Plus I like the idea of putting the gear on in a very spacific way to try and protect body parts. It is simply a uniform to wear The headgear is almost a mask to the face making you look like nothing but an object.
I respect low blows and not so legel fighting. This is the reason I began here was to find like minded fighting opponents.
I will learn get better and hopefully someday knock someone out cold.
Til then I take the hits and kick to my balls and my bloody nose black eye and it is a good day.
I hope to see some fights with you or others.
Hit me up if you want

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Berlin -Reiseroy65's Blog


Nun war ich zum 2. Mal in diesem Jahr in Berlin.
Berlin gefällt mir, es gibt so vieles neues zu entdecken. Es ist immer eine Reise wert.
Zu dem habe ich hier, wie schon Anfang des Jahres, viele neue Gegner kennen gelernt und durfte mit ihnen auch kämpfen und unterhalten. Dadurch habe ich neue Freunde gefunden.
Ich möchte mich ganz herzlich bei allen bedanken, die Interesse zeigten, um mit mir zu treffen.
Bei allen anderen, wo aus unterschiedlichen Gründen zu keinen Treffen kommen konnte, möchte ich sagen, auch im neuen Jahr werde ich wieder nach Berlin kommen. Und dann besteht ja wieder die Gelegenheit sich zu treffen.
DANKE an allen MF Freunde aus und um Berlin!

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11/11/17 group meetwalsallgoodguy's blog


Quite upset about sat meet I went to,while I had 4 great recs from new guys,I think most guys there thought I was a joke,they are probably right and I might not go to another big meet again,even a few old friends literally ignored me

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